Colour schemes revolting, product unusable


#1

I’ve just discovered Komodo Edit 9.3.2 after using Komodo Edit for years, most recently 8.5. My first reaction was that my monitor had broken as I was looking at an old style glass teletype from about half a century ago (yes, I am that old!). All the other ‘options’ were clearly for people who spend their whole lives in some sort of drug induced haze (and a ‘twittter’ poll of 50 is hardly a massive endorsement, unless that’s about 50% of your user base…) I wanted something like 8.5, even if I could just change the background colour to something that doesn’t mask all the code. But no.

I tried loading the tabula rasa skin and setting the background colour to white which gave me - a tabula rasa, a big blank window.

I’ve uninstalled 9.3.2 and gone back to 8.5. I’ll soon move to a different tool entirely.

So long, it used to be nice knowing you.


#2

@andygegg,

Strong opinion. That’s great! It’s unfortunate you haven’t given us a chance to help you address your problems though.

If you actually want assistance, what is that you need? A colour scheme from 8.5 and the classic style skin? You covered the “don’t wants” pretty well but I’m not 100% what the “wants” are.

  • Carey

#3

You can install new colorschemes via http://komodoide.com/packages/schemes/ and http://komodoide.com/packages/skins/.

In particular the newer Tabula Rasa skin/theme is pretty great for tweaking and twiddling your theme.

While we’re on that topic, I’ve never had any luck with Stylish as an addon/package, hoping 10 integrates it somehow. You might also have some luck with that.

Lastly there used to be something somewhere about customizations via user.css or something, but I can’t remember what it was. Anyone?


#4

@andygegg in my oppionion the user experience of 9.* is better than that of the 8.* releases of komodo edit.
From your answer it looks like you finding it difficult to customize 9.* to your taste, than that you are having usability issues.

That said can you maybe give us a hint from what you’re looking for (dark/light skin/colorscheme).
If you like a dark skinned editor, you can try my Deep Focus Skin, i also updated some colorsheme’s(can be found here) to match the background of the editor, so you can just install the color scheme and don’t have to adjust the background.

The end result will look something like this:

p.s. You can run multiple versions of komodo edit, you don’t have to remove old versions to run the new one.

@neurobashing i think you’re searching for the userchrome.css, but it’s recomended to use the stylish addon if you look at this answer from @careyh


#5

And if you are looking for the same color scheme as in Komodo 8.*, you can search for the same color scheme.
@Defman ported i think most of the color scheme’s from Komodo 8 to 9, these color schemes are prefixed with k8:


#6

Awesome feedback everyone! Also note that you can install all of these skins and schemes through commando > packages scope.

  • Carey

#7

I’ve ported all color schemes from Komodo 8.


#8

I thought so, but wasn’t sure. But great work btw


#9

like a boss!


#10

As I said, I tried Tabula Rasa but when I tried to change the background colour it reduced the whole thing to a heap of rubble (super trendy black rubble, of course!) with no way of recovery other than to uninstall.


#11

Many thanks to you all for your replies; my apologies for not responding sooner. I’ve calmed down now!
For background, I’ve coded on paper tape, punched cards, paper-and-keyboard teletypes and black-on-green “glass teletypes” connected to mainframes you’ve never heard of. vi is hardwired into my motor neurones. I’ve used many generations of numerous IDEs on generations of Windows and generations of Unix and Linux. I know just what a powerful tool a good IDE is. But an IDE is a tool not a fashion product; it has to be usable and that means being able to sit in front of it hour after hour, day after day without the tool itself being the problem.
For me, that means a white (or preferably very light grey) background colour. There’s a reason why books, newspapers and serious magazines are black ink on white paper. Reading white on black or lime green on fuchsia is seriously hard work, the eye is too distracted.
So when the 9* version of KE says “you can have any colour you like as long as it’s black” I was not impressed. The light versions of faint pastel on slightly fainter pastel I find completely illegible, the dark themes give me a headache.
All I want is to be able to choose the background colour - the one thing you explicitly exclude! I use, and have used, too many IDEs to care about syntax colouring (making comments distinct is nice; being able to see what text is selected is pretty vital and being able to read the selected text - which your light themes make impossible. Other than that, I neither notice nor care).
Why you ship with ONLY black or (censored) options is beyond me and then expect your users to scurry around trying to find something usable. I gather black on black colour schemes are considered jolly clever by the twittering classes; I like to think that if they go on to write serious code they’ll learn the error of their ways. Or not, I don’t care, I’m not trying to impose my preferences on everybody else - that seems to be your job!


#12

Prefs > Color Scheme > Fonts: Background.

Is that what you’re missing?

  • Carey

#13

Tabula Rasa is an unstable skin meant for those who are ok with testing experimental software. If you are not one of these people please refrain from installing it. Additionally if you can’t find yourself in the aesthetics of a skin … don’t use it? I appreciate you don’t seem to like modern interfaces but can you please express yourself in a less hostile manner?

As for your followup post, I don’t mean to be rude but none of the things you said are correct. Everything you complain isn’t available is in fact available. You may fault us perhaps for not making it as intuitive as it could be, but I think it would be more productive if you were to come to our forums asking for assistance or feedback on how to do something rather than outright assume the worst.


#14

I don’t think I would use the words unusable or revolting but things could be better. I finally managed to make a scheme that I can tolerate. The provided color picker is lame. I used the one in my Linux terminal, it has an eyedropper that you can use to get the Hue, Saturation, and Value numbers from the color you want. I am not into skins and jumping through hoops to customize stuff so good enough is good enough. Some examples of skin effects and scheme choices in the on line documentation would go a long way to helping first time users. I am close to cataract surgery so stuff like dark gray on light gray is intolerable. Black on the color of a file folder is better. Did it.
(great rant by the way) :slight_smile:
Lou


#15

What’s wrong with the default color picker? It has Hue, Saturation and Value. But I agree that the lack of an eyedropper is bad. AFAIK a new color scheme editor will be in Komodo 10 which should make the customization process much easier! :smile:


#16

What’s wrong with the default color picker?

I think you nailed it:
It has no eyedropper.
Much better than dragging that little circle around.


#17

Curious, I always felt the thing that was missing was a “preset” picker where you could eg. select a color that is used elsewhere in your color scheme.

A color picker to me is far less helpful in this regard as it often requires you to make pixel precise selections which are often inaccurate due to anti-aliasing.